All I am saying is removing Poiurot and Bouc and replaceing them with Miss Marple and Dolly is by Far Much better than putting Miss Marple in some of the Books which have never been Adapted on Television or Film but Ultimately Poirot belongs in the Adaspts he should be in and same for Miss Marple ALTHOUGH;

A) I Enjoyed the MR Films and I think SOME Non-Series Books are not to my taste like; The Crooked House, Endless Night and Sparkling Cyanide and if ITV, Chorion, etc put her in those three they would be much improved.

a) Not if she wasn't in the car (a "with Dolly" scenario

b) Remove Dolly, and it can happen, but MM has no reason to be near Istanbul.

I'm throughly against replacing Poirot. He belongs in his novels; let them stay as is. That's my final word on the matter.

I had forgotten that but couldn't they be paraded in fromnt of Miss Marple just as well

You forget that Poirot's presence in the car was vital, as clues were quite literally paraded in front of him very deliberately.

I had forgotten that bit go_leafs but having said that there is no reason at all why the Train couldn't have more space and surely aren't there more than one Car on a Train so the Doctor and Bouc could stay in another, the train would have to stop because of the Snow anyway and Bouc and the Doctor could join the others then, If they are helping Poirot they wouldn't be sleeping anyway would they?

But Bouc WASN'T IN THE CAR in the novel. Remember? He gave Poirot his compartment and went to another car, which was only occupied by the Greek doctor. Bundle and Bill wouldn't seperate like that. MM wouldn't let Dolly do that; they'd both agree to go to another car. Besides, Bundle and Bill don't belong anywhere near Murder on the Orient Express. They can stay in their little realm of light-hearted thrillers.

go_leafs, I am not proposing eliminating any character I am just proposing a mild change, in a remake the Train wouldn't have to be full, but if eliminating a Character had to happen surely the only one who could be eliminated is Bouc, as he was the link between Poirot and the train Compony that role could be traken by Dolly if she was a Director and if the Train wasn't full there might be just enough room for Bunfle and Bill, Bill cou;d be a representative of the firm keeping an eye on the train which again would mean eliminating Bouc.

But there was only one empty compartment, with one bed. MM wouldn't let Dolly give up her cabin for her; they'd probably both just go to another car. Are you suggesting suspects be eliminated? Well, there goes a vital clue (the Molina version butchered this up too)! As for Bundle and Bill-- just no. They don't belong anywhere within a thousand miles of Murder on the Orient Express. They may stay in The Seven Dials Mystery.

go_leafs, I was going to say that over night I had come to your way of thinking BUT thinking about it more obviously adding MM and Dolly would mean slight changes and there is no reason thaty one change could be that the Train has just 2 spaces left, surely if it was stated that MM and Dolly weee expected that would mean adding them would be fine after all there is no reason that the Guilty party should know that they were boarding the train is there? Another change could be is Bundle and Bill could replace Poirot as a n Aniversary present maybe. 

Look, Tommy, there's nothing to disagree with. It's physically impossible to cram in MM and Dolly together in the same car as the other passengers while keeping the mystery. You have no argument.

I totally dissagree with you about MOTOE but Mainly about your description of the non series books, yes some I didn't like Passenger to Frankfurt, Sparkling Cyanide, Endless Night and Murder Is Easy but some like The Man In The Brown Suit, Why Didn't They Ask Evans, The Seven Dials Mystery and The Secret of Chimneys were excellent.

Look at it this way: why have two adaptations of the same novel, one completely butchered and (depending on the Poirot in mind) the other either dreadful or good? Producers wouldn't back it. I was rather bored with all the references to "my nephew Raymond" to explain MM's presence somewhere, without ever seeing Raymond (except in Nemesis, where he was a dreadful womaniser and I hated him).

As for MOTOE: Miss Marple wouldn't fit! Physically, she would be unable to fit in with the passengers along with Dolly. If you remove Dolly, she has no reason to be anywhere NEAR Istanbul! The cabins were simply booked. Hang the director of the company and her friend! The passengers paid money for their compartments well in advance! They can go to a different car! But then, there goes the mystery.

So, once again, MM should stay away from Poirots. I have no problem with seeing her in non-series books, or even with T&T as they always were rather stupid. But a series detective (like HP) should never be replaced by another, unless it is done by the author of the original work. I don't see Agatha Christie's name credited as the screenwriter.

"Mille fois non, non, non!" is French for "A thousand times no, no, no!". That exclamation still stands.

Withg regards to Murder On The Orient Express I agree Creative License would have to be made, but I am sure room would be made for a Director of the Company and a Friend, with regards to "Dear Raymond" shuffling MM of on holiday, the repition wouldn't be that bad to take after all she had the Calthorpe's she stayed with and Bunch appeared alot and as for Margaret Rutherford in ATF not being too great well I am afraid go_leafs that is your opinion, I liked the films she did as MM and I repeat putting MM in Poirot's we have already seen is much better by far than putting MM in books which have not been adapted for the screen Properly but like you with MR ala ATF that is my opinion, btw when you put French can you please translate iot as I don't speek it thanks Awfully Old Boy.

The problem, like I said, is that if you allow them to replace the detective, this will give them a self-declared license to destroy the novel. Those happen to be three of Poirot's best cases, where he fits perfectly, and where MM won't fit. Introduce MM, and you're guaranteed a liberal plotline. It's Marple; it's practically guaranteed. Very few changes have to be made, but they will be made either way. So keep away from Poirot books, Marple & Co.!

Why would MM be in Istanbul? She couldn't travel with Dolly because HP had trouble fitting in the train by himself (unless you're proposing a stunt similar to Molina's MOTOE, which we all agree was dreadful). As for the other two, mille fois non, non, non! We've already had "dear" Raymond shuffle Miss Marple around earlier in the series... And I'm quite opposed to another MM adaptation of ATF- Margaret Rutherford tried her hand at that, and it wasn't too great.

Bundle and go_leafs PLEASE PLEASE FORGIVE ME, I didn't mean to sound rude and have a re-think I was hoping to get back on and take the rude bit away before you posted anymore, please accept my apologies but go_leafs I think it is possible to replace Poirot with MM without changeing a great deal like this;

Murder On The rient Express

In the book Bouc is a Director of the Train Company, surely there are more, perhaps Col Bantry was one and on his death his Shares are inherited by Dolly along with his position and she has a free trip with MM

After The Funeral

Perhaps MM could be an Executor of The Will

Evil Under The Sun

perhaps Raymond could pay for a Holiday for MM and she goes with Bunch or Dolly or Cherry, that would mean very few changes would have to be made.

Tommy, if you give the writers leeway enough to replace Poirot with MM, you might as well expect a completely altered plot which either makes no sense or is silly. "Because," the producers will smile, "you can see the Suchet version for a faithful one."

Tommy, mon ami, you misunderstood me I'm afraid. My post was directed to go leafs not you. And even then I was just joking. If you refer to it again I put a happy face after my post: :0) . I didn't really mean that go leafs was giving anyone any bad ideas.

In fact I see what you are saying Tommy about it being better to put MM in Poirot adapts rather than the non series ones as it would make more sense. But at the same time I see what go leafs is saying too. In short, you both make vaild points.

I don't understand your last post go_leafs, Firstly, I credit the Public with more in telligence than you seem to be willing to do, Secondly, I didn't understand about about The Sapphire of mon Ra and Thirdly there is no need to have Jazz Singers, Homosexuals etc, all I am suggesting is replace Poirot with Miss Marple, I am not trying to give the writers Ideas Bundle all I am trying to say (Is that putting MM in Poirot stories which we have already seen DS do is FAR! FAR! FAR! better than putting her in Adaptations of books we have Never seen done before, I don't weish to be rude but perhaps you and go_leafs should take the trouble to rezad my posts properly.  

That mock scenario of Evil Under the Sun was too reminiscent to something the producers and screenwriters (etc) would actually be interested in doing for the Marple series. Please don't give them any ideas go leafs! :0)

I still disagree, because of the "dunce" scenario I mentioned, but also because it would be confusing. Imagine the following: you open your TV Guide, and wow! Evil Under the Sun is on that night! Naturally, you see it. But wasn't it a Poirot? Why is Julia Mackenzie in it? And what on earth is the Sapphire of Amon-Ra doing in the movie? I don't remember anything about the drunk homosexual son-in-law of the American jazz singer... And... why did they move the setting to Bertram's Hotel?

See what I mean?