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Post title: Margret Rutherford

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TheButlerDidIT on 20 Nov 2009 at 6:10 p.m. GMT

Her portrayal of Miss Marple was totally wrong. She was rude, loud dramatic and bold. Sher dectective skills were very very bad. Most of the fims stole ideas and plots form other books. But I love them! Not as Miss Marple but as a unique character. Who else is a fan?

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McGinty on 23 Nov 2009 at 4:31 p.m. GMT

 I LOVE Margaret Rutherford ! My first introduction to Agatha Christie were the Miss Marple films back in the 60s, and she will always remain my perfect Miss Marple - and yes I know she does not resemble the character in any shape or form, but I suppose her being the 'first' as it were she will always uppermost in my mind whenever I think of Miss Marple. I've loved all the actresses who have since played her on screen, with perhaps the possible exception of Helen Hayes - not that I disliked Hayes as an actress, I just couldn't accept an American in the role with no attempt made at an English accent.

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 23 Nov 2009 at 4:52 p.m. GMT

I too loved Margaret Rutherford in the Role of Miss Marple I know her Miss Marple was more a Charicature of the Character and I know that of the 4 films she did only one was based on a Miss Marple story but I just find her and the films very entertaining and even though Agatha Christie didn't like the films and didn't like the fact that Miss Marple was taking on 2 of Poirot's Books Mrs McGinty's Dead and After The Funeral (although both times the Titles were different) the films show how Miss Marple couold do someone else's Mysterties and IMHO do them well, IMHO she is not as good as Julia McKenzie and on a par with Angela Landesbury but she better in my opinion than Helen Hayes who is better than Geraldine McKewan, Oh yes and Joan Hickson is the best of them all but I would have loved to see the version of A Murder Is Announced starring Gracie Fields 

 
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TheButlerDidIT on 23 Nov 2009 at 5:27 p.m. GMT

I'm glad you think that! I thought I might be the only one.

 
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go_leafs_nation on 24 Nov 2009 at 4:20 a.m. GMT

Margaret Rutherford: worst interpretation of MM ever.

Margaret Rutherford: such a smashing comedic actress it succeeds nonetheless.

 
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Puffinjill on 24 Nov 2009 at 6:19 a.m. GMT

I've always loved old black and white films and spent hours watching them when I was younger and had more time for such things. I used to really enjoy anything with Margaret Rutherford in it as she was just THE most wonderful actress. I remember seeing her 'Miss Marple' films and being hugely entertained by them but, at that time I hadn't begun to read AC in earnest and, therefore, was unaware of the character of Miss M and the plots of the books.

Now I am (sadly) older and am more fussy in how I like to see one of my favourite characters portrayed. I haven't seen any of those films for a long time, but I still remember how much fun they were, regardless of the ridiculous plots! I'm sure, if I was to see them again now, I would still enjoy them, even though I know they (and Miss Rutherford herself) are way, WAY wide of anything AC ever wrote.

But she is such a delight, it's so very hard not to be charmed by her!

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 24 Nov 2009 at 2:35 p.m. GMT

You and I will have to agree to disagree, I think Geraldine McKewan's Portrayal is much worse than Margaret Rutherford's GM's might have played Miss Marple the way AC Originally wrote her but I find the Films with MR more enjoyable but I did like GMs A Murder Is Announced and By The Pricking of My Thumbs 

 
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go_leafs_nation on 24 Nov 2009 at 4:52 p.m. GMT

The point is that McEwan is more like the character than Rutherford. Rutherford is a comic caricature; an entertaining one, but not the character. Even Angela Lansbury in the role sitting down to smoke a cigarette is more like MM than what Rutherford does.

 
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go_leafs_nation on 24 Nov 2009 at 10:18 p.m. GMT

By the way, Christie referred to "Murder Most Foul" one time in a book as a terrible alternative title an editor would come up with. I forget which it is though; I think it may have been a short story in The Listerdale Mystery.

 
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ampman on 25 Nov 2009 at 7:11 a.m. GMT

Whatever production Margaret Rutherford was in she always played Margaret Rutherford!

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 25 Nov 2009 at 3:21 p.m. GMT

To go_leafs That is another point on which you andf I will have to dissagree, as I never felt Geraldine McKewan suited the role, I sort of agree Margaret Rutherford's portrayal wasn't totally right but I did find her entertaining, I have found Geraldine McKewan Entertaining but not when she was Playing Miss Marple. To ampman That can be said of many Actors, David Jason has made a lot of money by playing Del Boy in lots of different guises and before that Granville, James Bloam is another one who has made a Good living playing one Character in different Programmes and I like him

 
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go_leafs_nation on 25 Nov 2009 at 8:59 p.m. GMT

Whether you enjoyed McEwan or Rutherford or not makes no difference. McEwan is more like Miss Marple than Rutherford. Miss Marple doesn't dance the charleston, feign heart attacks, climb up walls, play golf, or fence. Rutherford was simply a parody, and nothing like Miss Marple at all. The fact is that Geraldine McEwan is simply more like the Miss Marple Agatha Christie wrote about. It doesn't mean she has to be the most enjoyable.

People can differ on their opinions as to how enjoyable a role is; there's no law stating that Heath Ledger is the best Joker and The Godfather the best crime movie. But this here is very simple, and I don't see what there is to disagree about: Rutherford was a parody, McEwan was a serious portrayal. McEwan is closer to AC's character than Rutherford ever was.

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 26 Nov 2009 at 4:17 p.m. GMT

I personally dissagree, Elsa Lanchester and James Cosmo Parodied Miss Marple and Poirot in Murder By Death but rather than MR being a Parody I think it would be right to say the Films were done for laughs, you are right who is to say who the best Joker was or the best Crime Movie, we all have our own ideas as to what the Miss Marple Chzart should look like, you would put GM highter than MR and I would do opposite as I thought her portrayal was not as subtle as she meant it to be, I don't think subtlety doesn't come into it when things are being done for laughs.

 
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go_leafs_nation on 26 Nov 2009 at 4:54 p.m. GMT

Like I've said, it doesn't matter two cents how subtly McEwan played the role. Margaret Rutherford's Miss Marple was simply a spoof; her golf, horse-riding, etc. done purely for laughs. Miss Marple is too old to be as active as Rutherford was, and that's the simple reason why she isn't the MM Agatha wrote about.

 
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Puffinjill on 26 Nov 2009 at 5:07 p.m. GMT

No, she isn't the Miss Marple AC wrote about, but then the plots aren't her plots either. I think MR's films are best described as 'LOOSELY based on a character created by Agatha Christie'. Actually, we could just rename the character so she has nothing to do with Miss M and then we can just get on with enjoying the films for what they are! Entertaining and fun with Margaret Rutherford playing herself with all her comic charm, oh, and a little bit of (dodgy) mystery thrown in. Will that do?

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 27 Nov 2009 at 4:10 p.m. GMT

Yes, I think that will do fine, to call Margaret Rutherford's Miss Marple a Spoof is just wrong, Murder By Death was a Spoof, Clurdo with Tim Curry and Madeline Kahn was a Soof, The Airplane Films were Spoofs, the Film with Lipyd Bridges and Charlie Sheen was a Spoof but the Films where Margaret Rutherford played Miss Marple werew not by any step of the Imagination spoofs and calling them spoofs is an insult to Margaret Rutherford, Charles Tingwell, Stringer Davis, Robert Morley, Lionel Jeffries, Derek Nimmo, Nicholas Parsons and the other Actors who appeared in them.

 
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go_leafs_nation on 27 Nov 2009 at 4:53 p.m. GMT

The word "spoof" is not a derogatory remark. A spoof is quite simply a comic homage to the original source material, and that is precisely what the Rutherford films are: enjoyable, entertaining spoofs. It is no insult, because it is the perfect truth.

The films you mentioned are all spoofs, with only Murder by Death directly spoofing AC with Milo Perrier and Miss Marbles. But even "Miss Marbles" is more like MM. Rutherford simply does too much, what with the golf, the charleston, the climbing up walls, and the fencing. She is still entertaining, but you can't deny she is a comic caricature of the character, and therefore, qualifies as a spoof.

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 28 Nov 2009 at 1:06 p.m. GMT

I didn't say the word "spoof" was deogatory, all I am saying is that it is innaproroate when referring to the MR Films, When People make fims they have to put something in them to pad them out, I don't dissagree at all that Margaret Rutherford is a Comic Charicature but the word "spoof is not right.

 
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go_leafs_nation on 28 Nov 2009 at 4:07 p.m. GMT

Whatever point you're trying to make is extremely weak. You quite clearly made the connection between calling the films spoofs and insulting the filmmakers, and therefore, a derogatory remark:

Tommy_A_Jones

(...) to call Margaret Rutherford's Miss Marple a Spoof is just wrong, (...) but the Films where Margaret Rutherford played Miss Marple werew not by any step of the Imagination spoofs and calling them spoofs is an insult to Margaret Rutherford, Charles Tingwell, Stringer Davis, Robert Morley, Lionel Jeffries, Derek Nimmo, Nicholas Parsons and the other Actors who appeared in them.

But even the investigation is handled comically; in order for Rutherford to hear Aunt Cora's statement in Murder at the Gallop, she and Mr. Stringer (quite comically) cooperate to "hoist" her up. Note all the pranks by Alexander in Murder She Said (or the comic line that destroys a tense scene: "Despite the double negative, I'm sure you will."). The films are primarily concerned with laughs, not the mystery, and are basically spoofs, not mysteries. The comedy is not material to pad it out. Even in the confrontation with the killer of Murder She Said, the culprit can't resist cracking a joke about why the death won't be murder.

There's nothing wrong with them as spoofs, but as mysteries alone, there's a lot wrong. I don't see what's wrong with the word; plenty of good, enjoyable films are spoofs, from Murder by Death to Clue. And essentially, that's what the MR films are.

 
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Tommy_A_Jones on 28 Nov 2009 at 4:59 p.m. GMT

I am not being deogotary to the films, Far from it, I nam saying you my friend is the one being deogatory by calling the MR Films Spoofs, Spoofs have week Jokes for the sake of it and are a Coical look at the Genre they are Parodying, which is what Murder By Death and Clue did, Murder At The Gallop, Murder She Said abnd the other two did not do that so can't be called "Spoofs"

 
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go_leafs_nation on 28 Nov 2009 at 5:07 p.m. GMT

Who said anything about spoofs having weak jokes? That's not a trademark of good spoofs in the least.

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